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Hello. Could you please increase drop ratio for items  from trash in Firelands. I think some of those items are past their prime but are needed as starter items for low level geared players. Moreover it is not quite casual friendly to buy some trinket from trash for 1mln gold from auction house. How any player who has 2 h a day to play get those items in his lifetime. It is even hard to see apparatus on auction house, i am not even talking about buying it. So please think that through and make a good decision. Bye

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This isn't going to be done because it isn't Blizzlike. If you only have 2 hours a day to play I'd recommend forming a FL trash farming group with Apparatus reserved. Alternatively, you could get another trinket - from JP, 5-mans, the shitty Firelands rep trinkets, T11 raids, etc. In no way do you need a Firelands trash trinket so bad the server should give one to you.

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Most people who play are casuals, you make of this some miserable experience for players who don't have enough time to farm it. Those drop rates which are now aren't blizzlike, what are you even talking about. Change it back to normal drop rates that is what i meant. 

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Most of the items have more or less 1% drop chance from every FL trash mob pretty much, some of them have even 3% drop chance from particular mob (according to wowhead datebase). So my guess is at least 1 item should drop every 100 mobs. On ats it looks like items have the same drop chance from every mob and it is so rare that people don't waste time to even farm it. 

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Some time ago drop chance was better but then some guy(who?) nerfed it to the ground. I only want you to bring back previous drop rates. The same situation was on dragon soul but i can understand that you don't want people to gear up too fast to keep the intrest going. I am only asking for Firelands drop chances for now.

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2 hours ago, Frostbreaker said:

 So my guess is at least 1 item should drop every 100 mobs. 

This is not how probability works.

 

 

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How come that when ds came out items were droping consantly 1-2 from every raid. Now I haven't seen any in weeks. What the hell did you do then with this probability?

 

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16 minutes ago, Steve said:

How come that when ds came out items were droping consantly 1-2 from every raid. Now I haven't seen any in weeks. What the hell did you do then with this probability?

drop chance in dragon soul was way too high, so we had to nerf this

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13 hours ago, Frostbreaker said:

Most of the items have more or less 1% drop chance from every FL trash mob pretty much, some of them have even 3% drop chance from particular mob (according to wowhead datebase). So my guess is at least 1 item should drop every 100 mobs. On ats it looks like items have the same drop chance from every mob and it is so rare that people don't waste time to even farm it. 

WoWhead drop rate data is not reliable. For example the 3% drop rate data is from things like Theck's Emberseal which has a 3% chance to drop off Flamewaker Animator according to wowhead. However Flamewaker Animator was hotfixed to have zero loot at all on July 8 2011 on live so that data is from the very brief period when it dropped items. Same deal for Cinderweb Spiderling. 0.4% drop rate for Theck's Emberseal, yet Cinderweb Spiderling was fixed to have zero loot on July 6th, and WoWhead's data aggregation was never changed to reflect this. Much of the drop rates are artificially inflated from the period before Blizzard hotfixed in dramatically lower BoE rates and gold rates to stop people from solo farming Firelands trash in certain spots.

Hotfix reports are from https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/3019413

Basically, drop rates should be very low. If BoT consistently gives out loot it's more likely that BoT trash loot rates are too high, rather than it being the standard. You should very rarely see trash epics.

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Well I think you should take into consideration that there is only 1 k people at best(and not all of them are raiding Firelands) and in my opinion whenever you searched those items on retail they would pop up on aution house. Why do you play this blizzlike card if it's not clearly blizzlike server. You need to make adjustments to make it balanced.

I would like to know how many of these items drop in one week period. Nowadays there is so little of these items so you can't even buy them on Auction House and when it pops up the price is ridiculous so average player can't buy them. 

Edit. Miraculously i can post again.

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This is a Blizzlike server. Being Blizzlike does not mean it has to have 1 million people. I played on a server about as small as Atlantiss on live (US-Ysondre).

I don't know how many ways to say that it's not a problem that you can't get extremely cheap BoE trash epics - especially not now that DS 5-man gear and raid loot is available. Is normal Apparatus even any good compared to what you can get just from 5-man loot and JP/VP now for your spec? Even if it's the best 378 trinket (idk if it is for anyone, and I'm not about to check) just... go get some other ones.

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How is this blizzlike server if you gave custom buffs to bosses on raids? 

I don't want items to be extremly cheap. I want them to be in reach of the casual players(which they are not now because they won't drop). And even if ds came out those items should be more accessible for starting player. I should choose whatever I want not somthing else because you say so. Nerfs on drop chances on retail might were good for them but for relatively small server you need to adjust in my opinion. That is all I'm saying. 

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13 hours ago, ythealien said:

However Flamewaker Animator was hotfixed to have zero loot at all on July 8 2011 on live so that data is from the very brief period when it dropped items.

@ythealien I can't really find it in your source, is not there or I'm being retarded. Tbh I think you are wrong, for instance on other servers that are "blizzlike" like Tauriwow u can clearly see difference between ATS and Tauri in FL trash items drop rate. At https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/2973389128 site ppl are saying that "average get around 6 BoE epics a night" or "Also, shush....My guild does trash farming, and gets about 1 BoE every 3-4 runs. I do not want the drop rate nerfed further, thanks.", comments at the bottom from Aug 8 2011 proof the low drop rate on ATS. 

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3 hours ago, Frostbreaker said:

@ythealien I can't really find it in your source, is not there or I'm being retarded.

Search the page for "loot". It's right there: " Flamewaker Subjugators now award 50 reputation, up from 15, while Flamewaker Animators award no reputation or loot. " I said it was on July 8 but it was actually 6, and Cinderweb Spiderling was July 1 and not 6, my mistake. But still.

Tbh I think you are wrong, for instance on other servers that are "blizzlike" like Tauriwow u can clearly see difference between ATS and Tauri in FL trash items drop rate.

Another private server's data is not meaningful unless you can get the sources of their data from live.

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https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/2973389128 site ppl are saying that "average get around 6 BoE epics a night" or "Also, shush....My guild does trash farming, and gets about 1 BoE every 3-4 runs. I do not want the drop rate nerfed further, thanks.", comments at the bottom from Aug 8 2011 proof the low drop rate on ATS. 

Anecdotal evidence is not exactly data. The opening post of the thread you linked states exactly what I said: "First off, I totally agree the drop rate was ridiculously high the first week (or was it 2 i forget). But now it seems to have been nerfed into oblivion." 1 BoE every 4 runs means that it's perfectly normal to do 12 runs and not even see the specific BoE epic you want drop, much less win it.

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